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28 Responses to "TOC 2009: Ryan Harrow Game 4"that's some insane skills to dribble through traffic like that. can't wait to see harrow, parker and cothron making highlights together at the pangos.
sick....just plain sick
nasty, just plain nasty (I'm talkin about the GOOD nasty haha)
who else thinks he can start from day 1 in a state uniform!?
Depends on how much Javi has improved KarlN....definitely will be either or them plus Lo Bro back there.
Javi isnt even near the skills or mindset as Harrow. I understand being totally behind him for the upcoming year but lets think about it....
Javi- 5'10" unranked prospect 3star
Harrow- 6' top 25 nationally 5 star
The skills this kid possesses is unreal esp for a 16/17 year old and only competing in real highschool competition for 1 year. Remember he was an unranked 3 star prospect until he went around the nation weekend after weekend and proved he was one of the best PG in the nation. Ryans highlight reel from 1 game is more than Javi had all year. Javi, although I support him, aint got Sh** on Ryan..... think big picture
pack leader. . . i want to add on to your statements but i can't well done sir. . . Ryan Harrow is unreal from top to bottom, i have no negatives about his game, the kid is going to be a star.
Holy smokes!
Ehhh...Don't get me wrong, Ryan is sick and he is definately the future of NC State basketball, but I think you are mistaken Packleader. You are comparing a freshman Ryan to a freshman Javi...of course Ryan wins. But Javi will be a senior when Ryan arrives on campus. He will have faced Carolina a handful of times, Duke 3 times and this year he has played against some of the best PGs in the country (Rice, Teague, Calathes, Douglas, Lawson, Vasquez) you can't put that experience into words. Ryan absolutely smashes these boys, but they are 17 year olds. Not quick the same as trying to break the full court pressure at Littlejohn. I don't think Javi will be simply rolling over and passing the torch.
Tank04
experience goes a looong way, especially at PG. Harrow will not come in starting over Javi or Mays. But he's defintely got the potential to take his spot as the season progresses.
Harrow may not start the first game, but he will be the starter before ACC play or within one or two games of ACC play.
Tank- I agree javi has faced some steller competition but Do you think he was better than any of the guards you mentioned? ALL of those guards TORCHED him and to be fair they torched every PG we had available last year. I understand experience is extremely important but there are long lists of PG who came in as fresh and played at a high level. Javi has the heart but unfortunatly he doesnt have the skills to be a top teir PG on a championship team. He cant drive and cause the def to crash in creating open 3's, nor does he command respect on his jumper or 3 point shot. All of the guards you mentioned are quick athletic scoring guards. all of them by the way were either 4 or 5 star players..... so is ryan..... neither javi nor julius were ranked near what they are, even though i firmly believe they can be steller glue players
Just wanted to say I don't think you guys should go crazy yet. I think Javi will start his senior year while Ryan learns the ropes. I saw Larry Drew in high school and have seen Ryan Harrow and have to say they are some of the best I've seen, but that's high school. Larry was incredible and took it to John Wall at the Glaxo tournament but didn't start his freshman year or play that much for that matter, granted Lawson was ahead of him. What I'm getting at is that Ryan Harrow will most likely need a year to get used to college ball.
well, there go our problems with with the press for the next 4 yrs! freaking unbeleivable
I actually would be willing to bet that he does start over Javi or Mays. Hey, if you got it, you got it and if he's good, he'll start. As for experience, I do think something can be said for playing college ball in the ACC and playing high school ball in the AAU. Granted, the AAU has some of the elite talent-some of which could stomp certain ACC players. But it's still AAU.
Get ready WPH to run a story on nc state golfer Matt Hill who is about an hour away from winning a national championship.
-JerseyWolf
looks like youtube already took the audio down on this one
I know this off topic but I found some basketball stats that I thought would be cool to show.
http://www.newsobserver.com/content/sports/preps/2008/top_numbers.html#Boys_Basketball
Look who was the 5th leading scorer in this area. Also look who he was ahead of. A few 3 star players and one 5 star player.
"Granted, the AAU has some of the elite talent-some of which could stomp certain ACC players. But it's still AAU."
You're comparing 17-yr old high-schoolers to guys who have been playing (and training) in the ACC. We shouldn't be debating if he's going to start from day one. He's got a summer of AAU ball and his senior HS season, and we've got an entire season ahead of us.
But don't get me wrong, I anticipate Ryan being one of the best PGs and athletes the Wolfpack has seen in quite a while. He's very talented, no doubt, and has all the potential to be an All-ACC type player. I'm looking forward to Ryan's arrival.
-Jason
Ryan starts from day 1, ala Chris Corchiani-our last great point guard. No knock on our current guards, but none of them could stop Ryan one on one.
"No knock on our current guards, but none of them could stop Ryan one on one."-wolfcop
not trying to be negative but a id bet you ryan couldnt stop any of our current guards one on one either.
I understand your point but trust me Ryan as great as he seems, will have to get adjusted to acc basketball. Thats no knock on him and Im not saying he wont start at all his freshman year, but he will have to get adjusted.
On the other hand we will have a senior Javi who has continued to show improvement every year.
- JerseyWolf
I love Ryan Harrow as a player and a kid, but if Javi improves at the same rate that he has been, he'll be an All ACC candidate by his senior year. Some of the moves he made last year were extremely sick, and if he had big men who knew how to roll to the basket, he have had several highlight assists -- I disagree strongly that he cannot penetrate and dish.
That being said, we may be creating a problem where none may exist. I can easily see Lowe going 3 guards with Lo Bro, Javi, Ryan, and Julius splitting time among those 3 positions.
Agreed WolfCop; I think it's just been so long since anyone has ever experienced something like that. Or, it could very well be that some aren't old enough to know about Fire and Ice and other great ones that have gloriously traipsed through Reynolds.
...And Jason, I am comparing 17 year olds to seasoned ACC veterans and am stating simply that there are those certain individuals who could stomp some ACC players. They are the ones who would/could go in the NBA draft if allowed and even sometimes the ones that break the hearts of former starters who are simply better.
In any event, I agree with your over all general assessment of the dichotomy of High School caliber and elite college level status.
Packleader,
Of course he isn't better than the guys I named, they are going to the NBA. But going against tough competition makes you tougher. Put it in perspective dude, Ryan scored 25 against these dudes...pretty nice. Javi scored 18 against Carolina in Carolina's building. And you keep ruining your argument by comparing stars, again you are comparing a High School Ryan to a High School Javi. There is no question there...I would take Ryan. But Javi will be a Senior, let's look at it like this...
Engin Atsur was a 3 star prospect, I think it was is sophmore year where we scored like 12 points in a half against Iowa...Engin didn't have a year that would blow you away. Based on your argument Ryan would have been a better start during Engin's senior season. Because Ryan's a 5 star prospect and Engin was only a 3, and because Ryan is absolutely killing people in his youtube vids and Engin didn't do the same to his competition during his sophmore year.
No disrespect to Ryan...but I will take a senior Engin Atsur all day.
Tank04
Ryan right now is not close to being ready for the ACC. Thankfully he has plenty of time to get bigger and stronger.
Just because you are highly ranked doesn't mean other players are going to get out of your way and let you take their PT.
How about if we're all just happy to know that Harrow is coming, and at the same time we're all hopeful that Javi will step and make it hard for Ryan H to take the PG position as a frosh.
I like his ball handling abilities and individual moves, but that PASS!!! at 47 seconds into the clip is what gets me X-CITED!!!
UNCFAN23 Your post is very innaccurate. I can agree with you that Harrow might need a year to develop before he can truely blossom, but comparing him to Larry Drew is flat out wrong. First of all, I was at the Glaxo tournament and John Wall made Larry Drew look like he was in quicksand, and Wall was only a junior. 2nd of all, Harrow is already rated as a top 25 recruit and a 5 star player, with room to move up. Larry Drew was ranked 71st in his class, and a 4 star player. While I know stars and rankings are not everything, that is a large margin between the two, there is obviously a talent difference. If Larry Drew was one of the best you have seen you have not watched much high school basketball.
Who cares about stars? Brandon Costner was a McDonald's all-american for crying out loud. Anyone who thinks Javi (he wouldn't even start for any other team) will be an all-acc player is absolutely bonkers. And the Atsur argument? Atsur was good.....for our team - which by comparison, was not very good. Running Zo Brown at the point makes the most sense. Yes, he's a natural two guard. But he's also a very strong point guard, hence his label as a combo guard. Running point could help him in the long run, and could get us through a season that would be turnover city if Javi/Degand/Mays run the show. Oh, and for those who are all about rankings and stars, Zo is rated as the #7 POINT GUARD in his class, Harrow is #6 pg in his class in his highest ranking (Rivals), but has a lower ranking on other sites.
I do like that were all debating about which guards to use, as opposed to complaining about who is available - very nice luxury indeed. Our 2011-12 season could get a little ridiculous if people stay healthy and we lock down some of these guys we're after this year. My vote is Parker and Cothron - we would be very solid at every position with a bench to boot.
Did anyone ever check out the movie "crossover", where RH doubles for someone? In the earlier WPH interview, RH said he was in the 8th grade, I guess it was '05.
-Jason
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