Friday, June 12, 2009
Open Thread - June 12th
We haven't had an open thread in awhile, and with all the good dialogue we've been having lately, we figured we were overdue. This is a chance for you to ask any questions or dialogue about anything that pertains to the past, present, and future of the NC State basketball program. Have at it!
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30 Responses to "Open Thread - June 12th"with a great class coming in this year and only 1 scholarship still open for next (after harrow of course) do you foresee lowe trying to free up another? because it seems like parker and cothron are leaning towards us. That would be a top 10 class for sure. 2 great classes in a row for sid if he can nail that down. Would someone on the pack be expendible, as this seems to be the case with all of the kentucky veterans under calipari?
With Barton committing to Memphis, how long, if ever, before the coaches evaluate/offer Parker?
I didn't think it was possible for state, but its starting to seem like Lowe could be over recruiting....it aint that bad of a thing, but leaves alota decision making for the administration...what would it look like if c.j. Recommits?
-Brad-
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I hate to say it but if one more scholarship does become available it is likely to be Johnny Thomas.
I have heard reports that his knees are getting worse and he is lucky to be walking now let alone be playing basketball. If the staff expects JT to play limited minutes or not at all this season it would seem to explain why they offered Davis a scholarship instead of leaving one open for a higher ranked recruit in 2010
While I hope we still have a shot at Leslie, it would not surprise me to see him head off to UK. I haven't heard how his trip to UNC went this past weekend. It would be a tough pill to swallow knowing Lowe recruited him really early, and then he decides to decommit to attend UNC.
As for Parker and Cothron, I like the tandem. At some point though, we have to think we are guard heavy and spread the scholly's around a little.
I don't think you can ever over recruit. I wish that CJ hadn't decommited b/c IMO if he hadn't we would be the team to beat in the Cothron recruitment. He has said before that he likes CJ Leslie and would enjoy playing with him...Getting Cothron is one of the main reasons I still want Leslie but personally I don't see Leslie recommitting. IF UNC offers IMO you can count us out...
Regarding being guard heavy... If you want to run an uptempo style of play then you like are running something resembling a 3 guard lineup. That is 60% of your starting lineup. If you apply that 60% over your 13 man roster you are talking about 8 guys to play the 1-3 positions and 5 to play the 4-5 positions. Sign Parker and Cothron and you have achieved that.
1-3 = Javi, Mays, CJW, Zo, Wood, Davis, Harrow, and Parker
4-5 = Smith, Howell, Vandenberg, Painter, and Cothron
If Leslie goes to UNC that will make beating the Heels all that much more sweeter.
I think this years squad has got a good chance at taking out UNC, at least at the RBC
Also I've heard rumors about an OOC tourney in SC that the heels may be attending as well
I like the team alum02 has....we would be a deff team in the NCAA torny for the next few years with that....and Lowe would be our coach K for many of years if he can keep that up!
Go pack!!!
Make us proud Lowe!
-Brad-
I wonder if UK will help Leslie with his SAT Prep classes?
Seriously, I just don't get these kids wanting to go play for a complete slimeball (Calipari). But, if they do I think we are better off with kids that stear clear of people like him.
I could see someone transferring after this year depending on how guard minutes get distributed. If Javi or Farnold don't feel like minutes are going to be available once Ryan gets here, will they stick around or want to go somewhere else?
Bradfor, Farnold won't stick around because he will graduate.
^Farnold is a Sr. next year, he is gone no matter what. I don't see Javi just throwing in the towel and transferring to give his spot to a freshman. No offense to Ryan.
Tank04
Javi will be a senior and Farnold will have graduated next year, chief. I don't think that Javi will transfer for his senior year unless he is just a disaster this season.
I'm thinking that if another scholarship does open up it will either be because of medical problems for Thomas or because one of the freshmen from this class wants more playing time elsewhere. It is hard to imagine a six man class sticking together for very long.
Do we even still WANT C.J. Leslie? It wouldn't bother me if Sid closed that door. I've heard he's dropped a little in the rankings, too.
I say we pull the plug on Leslie's offer. Make re-committing not even an option. Then go after some bigger fish.
Several weeks ago I remember hearing about the assistant coaches and how their performance was weighing sidney lowe down. I don't know much about our assistant coaches other than larry Harris is an outstanding recruiter and towe was the PG for our 74 team. Does anyone know much about or assistants? I appreciate any help but let's leave off the wikipedia cut and paste, I can do that myself. Larry Harris is a great recruiter, sidney lowe can make the best half court set plays, ..... That type of stuff
Let's be real. There probably aren't any fish out there that are bigger than CJ. We need to not take offense at his decommitment, and pull for him to recommit. While he might have dropped in Rivals rankings, he moved up to #12 in Scouts. Please remember that recruits read what you write. CJ's mom has always been in our corner. Don't count us out and don't turn your backs on the kid.
I don't have any inside knowledge but I say we never see CJ Leslie suit up in Red and White. I beleive Parker would commit but I am concerened about the reports of his lack of intensity in some recent tourneys, this could be why he hasn't been offered yet more so than waiting on Leslie. I think right now we have as good a chance with Cothron as anyone else. In any case were putting together a team that could make a deep NCAA tournamnent run by 2012
^ Haven't heard any reports of Sid not getting along with the other coaches. I actually have heard the opposite.
Also, July begins the new evaluation period..which means that the AAU Tournament in Vegas will be littered with big name coaches. Also, this is probably the time that Sid and staff will be checking in on Parker.
Just an update, but I caught up with CJ Williams today and apparently this year the team has new found work ethic. Guys are always in the gym working hard on their own, whether it be running, lifting or shooting (he specifically mentioned Julius, Javi and Dennis)....they are definitely motivated to shock some people this year.
WPH
I hope Parker can come out and play strong in Nevada. Parker seems to genuinely want to be part of NC States program that kind of dedication is exactly what we need on our team.
Also heard Bishop Daniels was at NCSU elite camp. Do you know how the camp was or heard what Daniels level of interest in State may be.
Daniels would be great to have as a back up for Harrow one day.
^ Yeah, Parker is a great kid and really has a high ceiling. July will be a big month for him as you can be assured that the coaches will be watching.
Bishop was at the elite camp, however media did not have access so we couldn't get you any video. We've seen Bishop enough though to know that he has a lot of work to do before he locks in any type of offer. You probably have seen his insane highlights from the Carolina Challenge that we posted, but aside from that Bishop needs to get a better jumpshot, and learn how to really run the point since he's too small and can't shoot well enough to warrant a 'ship to play the 2 guard. He is a great kid and has a great attitude but he needs to find his niche. If he's a PG he'll need to work on his handles and his passing. If he wants to be a 2 guard he'll surely have to hone that jumper of his.
John Wall's mom was in our corner also. That didn't turn out to well.
The Pack is also pursuing Deville Smith at the PG slot in the '11 class as well. Smith impressed me with his command of the court, defensive tenacity, and speed. He plays bigger than he is. We will have some video of him from the TOC up for you shortly. Smith is from Mississippi and plays AAU ball with LaQuinton Ross, Rodney Hood, and Demarco Cox with MBA Elite.
Good to hear that the players are getting in the gym and working hard, especially the upper classmen. I think that shows they really want to be better next year and make a real run.
Bishop Daniels was the most impressive at the elite camp that is for sure. Kid can play some ball.
The thing that is most promising going forward is that the players CJ included in his talk with WPH, Julius, Javi and Dennis, along with Williams himself are dedicated to getting better.
It's not about the kind of players they think they are or what would be the best way to utilize their talents- they are just basketball players who will push themselves to the limit on and off the court to get any sort of advantage. This has been especially true for Julius May's for years and you know that a son of a boxer and former boxer himself in Javi knows a thing or two about training.
^^ We're not saying Bishop isn't a real talent because he definitely is, but he just has a lot of work to do before he's ACC ready.
^^ We're not saying Bishop isn't a real talent because he definitely is, but he just has a lot of work to do before he's ACC ready.
I'm still uncertain about Daniels. There was one point in the season where I thought that with his athleticism he could elevate himself to a top 10 SG in the class. He can leap as well as anyone I've seen but his PG skills definitely need to come along. He is one of those guys that is good at a lot of things but he just isn't outstanding at something which will keep him from elite status...
agree wph bishop has work to do before he should play in the acc however he was the best at the elite camp; good parents as well; and a polite young man.
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