Friday, June 19, 2009
Open Thread
I'm down at the beach on vacation and I'm sitting here under an umbrella brainstorming on a good topic for an Open Thread. I thought this would stir up some good conversation. When you look back on the history of our basketball program, who makes the All-NC State 1st Team? Second Team? Third Team? Honorable Mention?
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19 Responses to "Open Thread"First Team- David Thompson, Rodney Monroe, Corch, Thurl, and I know I am going to catch some heat for this, but Hickson would round out my starting five.
Second team- Whit, Lowe, Hodge, Googs, Burleson.
Third- Towe, Nate, Hawkeye, Charles, and Fuller.
Honorable Mentions- Cozell, Gannon, Shavlik, Kevin Thompson, Inge and Thornton, Grundy an many more.
1st team
PG- Chris Corchiani
SG- Rodney Monroe
SF- David Thompson
PF- Ron Shavlik
C- Tommy Burleson
2nd team
PG- Sidney Lowe/Monte Towe
SG- Vinny Del Negro
SF- Julius Hodge
PF- Todd Fuller
C- Thurl Bailey
All Def Team
PG- Sidney Lowe
SG- Anthony Grundy
SF- David Thompson
PF- Tom Gugliotta
C- Tommy Burleson
first team- David Thompson, Tommy Burleson, Monte Towe, Rodney Monroe, Tom Gugliotta
second team- Sidney Lowe, Derrick Whittenburg, Thurl Bailey, Julius Hodge, Vinny Del Negro
third- Spudd Webb, Chucky Brown, Marcus Melvin, Camerom Bennerman, Cedric Simmons
honorable mention- Josh Powell, Todd Fuller, Engin Atsur, Damon Thornton, Anthony Grundy, JJ Hickson
robpack, I like your choice x-hickson. Think I'd stick Lorenzo in there. He was a beast.
Everyone is forgetting about Kenny Carr. He has to be in the all time top 10.
I know this is for basketball post but I really doubt anyone will bash me for this. Russell Wilson on the front page of Scout.com on 06/19 roundtable.
"Q: The most underrated team will be ... ?
A: North Carolina State. Yes, I’m an unabashed disciple in the church of Tom O’Brien, but I believe in the guy’s ability to build a winner. I saw it in action at Boston College, and I believe we’re seeing it again in Raleigh. Yeah, the guy’s a rotary phone in an iPhone world, but his conservative blueprint for success still works. And now, he’s got a quarterback to carry his program to another level.
The key is Russell Wilson, the precocious second-year dual-threat, who ignited the program in 2008 and finished as a most unlikely All-ACC first team quarterback. If he can stay healthy, a big concern, he’s got that certain quality that just spawns good things. It was evident throughout the second half of the season, when the Wolfpack kept getting better as the year progressed and won four straight as an underdog.
With a little bit of wind at its back and O’Brien settling into his third season on campus, NC State is about to roll from a 6-7 program to a Top 25 team. If it can handle South Carolina on opening night, look out. The Pack is liable to get hot and finish with nine or ten wins and an Atlantic Division crown."
^Don't forget that Wolfpack Pigskin will be launching in full force in late-July/early-August!
Hickson??
Yea, I chose Hickson because I have yet to see a fresman big man in the ACC that was as good as he was. I have not seen one atleast in the past 10 years or so. This guy played 1 year. I don't think he should be left off because of that. Had he stayed 3 or 4 years he may have been one of the best to ever play his position in the entire league. The team did not play so well while he was here but he did really well considering the fact.
Uh, you said this is an open thread?
Let's see if this one flys...
After looking around it seems that many other sites just aren't going to give up their relentless drum beat of negativity even in the off season. I'm seeing many of the same people that were steadfast in Sendek's corner after an entire decade of humdrum basketball, now proclaiming that they are fed up, and ready for change after just THREE SEASONS of Sidney Lowe.
My point to all of this is to say that I hope all of the UNSUBSTANTIATED rumors and negative commentary that is being constantly perpetrated by certain individuals and site administrators elsewhere, if these people aren't driving another wedge and doing irrepairable harm to our fan base.
Thing is, it wouldn't bother me so much if those same individuals hadn't sat back and readily accepted the ten years before Lowe arrived. Doing that only proves to me that those individuals have fallen prey, and that they hold the same aspirations for athletics as NC State's adminstration.
In other words, squeaky clean, non-threatening, and middle of the road is perfectly fine and dandy for them, and it doesn't matter if we ever rise above that level or not. But OTOH, DO NOT EVER, at any time, slip below their non-threatening, mid-level standard of athletics because that gets their panties in a wad in a heartbeat and causes them great embarrassment.
Now, I don't know about anyone else on this site, but a brief drop out the mediocre column hasn't really ruffled my feathers in the least. I am one of the ones who gets embarrassed by receiving NCAA tournament bids when it's clearly apparent that you haven't earned them, and that you will only further embarrass yourself once you're there and participating.
In other words, STOP all of the trashing!!! Sit back and wait patiently just as you did in the decade prior. Always remember the WTNY slogan that carried you through that entire decade, and simply ALLOW the construction of something that is truly BETTER to take place.
^ I love it redfred! I agree with everything you just said. I don't mind taking a few steps back to get to where we need to be.
redfred, I've made that arguement over and over again. One thing I'm starting to notice is that people [fans and media] are starting to give Sidney a chance. Now at the end of the season he was on the hot seat but with this recruiting class I think everyone wants to see if it translates into wins. I personally say he has 2 solid years and by no means will this be his last year. With good players, especially PG play, its obvious he can coach. I'm gonna go off on a limb here and say with our team being so young javi and mays are going to be a pleasant surprise.
Thanks robpack.
wolf0307, what people don't understand, is that I'm not so much defending Sidney Lowe's abilities or his W/L record to date, as much as I am pointing out an absurd imbalance in the way he is viewed compared to his predecessor, and even his current coaching partner at NCSU, over on the gridiron.
I could site all kinds of examples to back up what I'm speaking of, but I'll just bring up the recent, and previously unparalleled, accomplishments in the classroom under Coach Lowe. Then I'll ask if those kinds accomplishments aren't important enough or impressive enough to so many of these righteous NC State fans that they don't even warrant a pleasant comment or two on ocassion, THEN WHAT IN THE WORLD IS???
I mean, the last BB coach constantly received all kinds credit and accolades for keeping his players on track academically, but now, these same fans are saying that "the BB Coach really doesn't have anything to do with that aspect". WTH???
THEN, you watch as many of those same NC State fans still drag Jim Valvano's name through the mud, saying that HE, and HE alone, was individually responsible for the BB program's academic woes back in the 90's.
And this one really gets under their skin, but TOB's CURRENT record *AT NC State* is really not impressive enough to hold him higher than Sidney Lowe while saying, "See, look here, this is what a real coach is supposed to do."
Don't take that last statement wrong, I love TOB and I'm as glad as anyone that he decided to drop in in Raleigh, I'm just saying.
None of it makes sense, not to me anyway. If anyone can, please enlighten me, I listen to any explanations.
Redfred, I too have been baffled at why they hold TOB on such a high pedestal compared to Sid. I love TOB too but his record thus far is not very good. I think it all boils down to the fans buying into what TOB sales. I also think the fact that he is undefeated against UNC and ECU helps alot too. I am as optimistic about football as I am basketball but so far TOB has a losing record.He should be sitting in the same seat as Lowe at this point in my opinion.
I also think people just got attached to Herb. He was here for 10 years and that is a long time for any coach. Just forget the negative people. Winning will cure all and I think Sid is just as capable as TOB.If TOB had the same exact record but had lost to UNC and ECU in his first years here, I think the overall opinion of the man would be very different.
robpack, I agree with most of what you're saying, but I think this all goes much deeper than you're explanation or the win/loss totals. I could ramble on with my reasoning on this topic, but I don't believe that most people come to this site for that sort of thing.
As matter of fact, there probably isn't a website anywhere in the universe, that would be interested in that.
Number 4. I really like the wolf logo.
I would like to say that, among the accomplishments that go unnoticed with regards to Sidney Lowe's time here at NCSU, he is a trailblazer. Have we ever had an African-American Head Coach (of any kind) on Tobacco Road? I hate to bring race into the conversation, but I am proud of our university for looking past ethnicity when hiring the "best man" to run our BB Program! I'm sure that it is the proverbial "elephant in the room" at times, but it is a step in forward in a highly conservative environment. Take from this what you will, within the context of this conversation.
^pp3, nice job!
I'm not saying that what you just spoke of is even an issue with the overwhelming majority of us fans, but I do believe I have picked up on some commentary that has led me to believe that a very small percentage is still uncomfortable with such.
Besides that, when I see our own kind, some supposed NC State "fans", belittling our own Head Coach about his degree, then in the very next thread boldly proclaiming these kids of today are fools if they don't leave school early and take the NBA's money as soon as it's offered, then from that point forward I kind of have trouble taking anything seriously that that supposed "fan"/Ark Builder has to say.
I guess to him it's perfectly OK that these kids of today don't have to receive a college education, but heaven forbid, don't let that same athlete come back to NC State in a different capacity at a later date, not without that college degree, that would just be too embarassing for all of us.
agreed red fred!
And we have both the AD and HC to take those steps back I also believe!
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