Saturday, November 14, 2009

Open Thread: WPH in Louisburg

Feel free to talk about anything or ask any questions that are NC State basketball related.

**UPDATE: Although we were unable to attend Lorenzo Brown's game today, we did have someone up in Louisburg helping us out and keeping us updated. 

Brown went off, in what was an intense game, unloading 35 points and around 5 assists. Brown scored from everywhere on the floor, showcased his handles and his quickness, and also threw down a pretty impressive dunk in traffic. 

We will be getting the footage from this game as well, so this should be the only place where you can find highlights from all three games. We'll get you all the footage sometime in the coming week.

We were told an NC State assistant coach was in the house, most likely Larry Harris. 


71 Responses to "Open Thread: WPH in Louisburg"
  1. Jack said...
    November 14, 2009 at 4:30 PM

    WPH, what are your thoughts on Leslie? He seems to be very involved with our other recruits, seems to be a good sign for us.

  2. Wolfpackster said...
    November 14, 2009 at 4:31 PM

    any news on what is going on with Johnny Thomas?

  3. Anonymous said...
    November 14, 2009 at 4:37 PM

    Who is Zo playin against?

  4. Wolfpack Hoops said...
    November 14, 2009 at 4:38 PM

    From what we know, JT's lack of playing time is not due to injury. Wood and Davis are just showing more in practice.

  5. WolfCop said...
    November 14, 2009 at 4:40 PM

    Do you think 2 guard will be the best position for Zo next year?

  6. Shak said...
    November 14, 2009 at 4:44 PM

    when can we expect to see some of the recent Luke Cothron footage? He's been putting up some monster numbers..I'm anxious to see some more of his game.

  7. Wolfpack Hoops said...
    November 14, 2009 at 4:47 PM

    Hargrave is playing Spartansburg Methodist out of SC.

    Zo will fit in nice at the 2.

  8. Wolfpack Hoops said...
    November 14, 2009 at 5:01 PM

    Zo came out with about 10 left in the game because Hargrave was up by around 30. He had 19 points.

    CJ Leslie was in the building for the second straight day.

  9. Wolfpack Hoops said...
    November 14, 2009 at 5:03 PM

    It's hard to get a read on Leslie. If he just simply wants the hype and attention, he's not acting that way. He's hard to get in touch with and rarely allows interviews.

    That being said, Leslie is a good kid and is most likely just trying to make sure he knows what he's getting into 100% before he commits (regardless of where that might be).

    His actions as of late have to have Pack fans happy. He's been very involved with Coach Lowe and the other 2010 recruits. He's been on campus quite a bit, at Ryan's signing and at Lorenzo's game in Louisburg.

    There's not telling where he'll end up but State is definitly going to be right there in the end.

  10. Jack said...
    November 14, 2009 at 5:08 PM

    WPH, thanks. So CJs there again today? This definitely is getting me excited. I feel like CJ is trying to make sure that the supporting cast will be there to put him a position to be one and done next year. I think he always wanted to go to State, but he got concerned that he might be on a dud team and get no exposure or constant double teams. I'm sure there are many people around him telling him that. He's played with Harrow and is watching Brown. I think he will see what he needs to see to commit to State.

  11. WolfCop said...
    November 14, 2009 at 5:21 PM

    Is Ryan's brother and law there, too or did CJL come by himself?

  12. Wolfpack Hoops said...
    November 14, 2009 at 5:50 PM

    He wasn't with his coach. He was with his cousin and one of his teammates from WOG.

  13. Anonymous said...
    November 14, 2009 at 6:12 PM

    CJL isnt any stranger to Brown. They played on the same World Wide Renegade AAU team for the Bob Gibbons TOC two summers ago. At that time CJ was the commit and we were trying to pull in Lorenzo

  14. WolfCop said...
    November 14, 2009 at 6:19 PM

    Well, that tells me a lot WPH. I was thinking that MAYBE CJL came last night to be nice to his coach. But, if he came without Coach that he really did want to see Zo again. I think you are right. I think CJL is going to have a hard time NOT coming to State. I think he wants to and is just looking for excuses to justify the decision.

  15. Anonymous said...
    November 14, 2009 at 7:35 PM

    What about the UK earrings he was wearing tonight? lol!

  16. Slick said...
    November 14, 2009 at 7:53 PM

    I don't know if anyone knows what CJ is going to do, including himself but Ryan seems to think he will end up at State by the comments he made at his signing.

    I went to The Elite80 Showcase in Wilson about a month ago and seen Ryan and CJ play together. I met Ryan and talked to him for a few minutes after he finished playing. As I started to walk away I turned to Ryan and said oh yeah, Ryan try to get CJ to come to State with you and he said with a smile "don't even worry about it, he's coming."

  17. TripleR7 said...
    November 14, 2009 at 8:04 PM

    CJ was also wearing a pair of University of Kentucky UK earrings. Spartanburg Methodist's coach made his entire team stand up at one point in the second half and start chanting "defense...clap clap...defense"

  18. Wolfpack Hoops said...
    November 14, 2009 at 8:14 PM

    Luke had 25 today and Flora MacDonald won by like 50.

  19. redfred said...
    November 14, 2009 at 8:17 PM

    Hey, what's wrong with CJ Leslie showing his support for the Motherland, the Europeans, and our greatest allies over there on the other side the Atlantic?

    I actually agree with CJL on this one. That taxation with no representation deal, that's history, let's learn to forgive and forget, and move on people.

  20. redfred said...
    November 14, 2009 at 8:21 PM

    Just 25???

    Just 50???

  21. WolfCop said...
    November 14, 2009 at 8:41 PM

    Well, I guess the UK jewelry is not good.

  22. Blackart said...
    November 14, 2009 at 8:43 PM

    Yeah Zo had some impressive plays that left the crowd with some oooos and ahhhs. They blew the team out really in the second half. I was sitting a few ft from Coach Harris and D Painter. They did stay for the Louisburg game. It was Coach, Deshawn, Zo and CJL sitting together. Really, a suprise to see CJ there for Zo's game.

  23. redfred said...
    November 14, 2009 at 8:46 PM

    Actually, it's pretty high quality stuff. They make it right there in London.

  24. WolfCop said...
    November 14, 2009 at 8:53 PM

    lol redfred

  25. Slick said...
    November 14, 2009 at 9:18 PM

    UK earrings, what the hell CJ?

    Quit teasin' us man, tell us if you ain't coming here, we can take it (I think). You got us acting like a bunch of dope feins, trying to find out the latest info on you.

  26. Anonymous said...
    November 14, 2009 at 11:01 PM

    "Quit teasin' us man, tell us if you ain't coming here, we can take it (I think). You got us acting like a bunch of dope feins, trying to find out the latest info on you."

    That's why I'd recommend everybody following this just relax and let it play out. No need to try to figure out what's going on in the head of a 17-yr old kid. Hopefully he'll choose the pack and make all of us ecstatic. But until that happens, we should all relax. Things look pretty good though!

  27. TripleR7 said...
    November 15, 2009 at 2:58 AM

    WPH are you going to the Sunday games? Can you please film Spartanburg Methodist's coach for his entire game? The funniest thing I have seen in a while is him making his players be cheerleaders and stand up to chant defense for the entire second half. His coaching/cheerleading tactics would be a youtube sensation

  28. Trip said...
    November 15, 2009 at 4:02 AM

    ^ Yeah, I know if I was in the position of CJL with multiple employers (Schools) seeking my services I would do my damnedest to make sure that I get the best deal for my time spent there.

    Right now, State is a tough sell to CJL when the blues are knocking on his door. It's going to take some warlock magic for Sidney to outsell Calipari. I honestly don't think it matters where he goes as he'll be drafted on potential alone.

  29. wolfpack4eva said...
    November 15, 2009 at 10:54 AM

    anybody other than one anonymous poster and Triple (who could be the anonymous poster) who actually can confirm he had earrings like that on?

  30. Wolfpack Hoops said...
    November 15, 2009 at 11:06 AM

    I spoke with him briefly and didn't notice them, but I wasn't staring at his ears.

  31. TripleR7 said...
    November 15, 2009 at 11:16 AM

    He sat right in front of us, and I can confirm 100% that he had the UK earrings on...who knows what it means. The important part is he spent Friday and Saturday hanging out with a lot of people associated with our program and watching Zo play

  32. Anonymous said...
    November 15, 2009 at 12:56 PM

    the earrings are a sign that he wants to let nc state fans down gently and is only around our program guys because he is their friends

  33. Afterglow said...
    November 15, 2009 at 1:02 PM

    OMG! He was probably on his visit to Kentucky... went to the gift shop and thought... those are cool, I'll buy em as a souvenir. Would it surprise you if he bought a Kentucky shirt as well? Not saying he did but it all seems pretty silly to worry about at this point.

    Think about how exciting it would be if you were a kid who had the privilege of taking trips to different parts of the state for free! How pumped would you be if people were worshipping the ground you walked on and were begging for your services? It’s like being treated as royalty for some of these cats. He should go on these visits, enjoy his stay, eat out at the restaurants, check out the college town, hang out with the players and yes-take home a couple of souvenirs because you’re only a kid once. Who knows what he’s going to do. I don’t think he even really knows at this point. This has got to be an emotional roller coaster ride and it’s a huge decision for him. The people at Kentucky are probably freaking out as well (the guys wearing UK earrings but then is showing up and Ryan Harrows signing and hanging out with future Pack recruits…WTF! They’re probably saying… come on CJL, don’t play around with us… we can take it… just let us know one way or another.

    OK I’ll stop redfred.

  34. Anonymous said...
    November 15, 2009 at 1:05 PM

    I find this whole "UK earring story" to be a bit suspect. Where would you get such earrings? If my ears were pierced, could i go to the bookstore and get NC State earrings? I've never, ever seen college earrings. Are they common?

    Again, i find the "story" a bit suspect. I also find people's attempts to over-analyze a kid's thoughts and intentions a little ridiculous. But that's just me.

  35. Afterglow said...
    November 15, 2009 at 1:32 PM

    But that's neither here nor there as I'm with you on the whole over analyzing thing.

  36. Eric said...
    November 15, 2009 at 1:56 PM


    I went to the link you posted, and while it is true that this site contains UK earrings, if CJL were wearing any of those options, my guess is that the story would be about something else a little "sweeter."

  37. Afterglow said...
    November 15, 2009 at 2:06 PM

    Ture that! But one has to be a little concerned when you see him whipping out one of these at a basketball game.

    Isn't that bad luck or something? We're so screwed!!!

  38. packfan83 said...
    November 15, 2009 at 2:29 PM

    I can also confirm that CJ was wearing some UK bling. Sat right next to him for both games.

  39. Anonymous said...
    November 15, 2009 at 2:33 PM

    is game at Louisburg College gym? Thanks

  40. WolfCop said...
    November 15, 2009 at 3:07 PM

    Is there a game today?

  41. Wolfpack Hoops said...
    November 15, 2009 at 3:15 PM

    Yes the game is at Louisburg College Gym.

    They play at 3:30.

  42. WolfCop said...
    November 15, 2009 at 3:25 PM

    You not going today?

  43. Wolfpack Hoops said...
    November 15, 2009 at 3:29 PM

    Couldn't make it today. Got church tonight.

  44. WolfCop said...
    November 15, 2009 at 3:34 PM

    Good man WPH. I like your priorities brother. Thanks for what you do man.

  45. Anonymous said...
    November 15, 2009 at 4:09 PM

    pretty physical game today, really up and down the floor alot. I believe Zo has 8 with 5 mins left in the first.

  46. Anonymous said...
    November 15, 2009 at 4:35 PM

    I am also glad that you have your priorities as you do. That is why you have a successful site.

  47. Dof87 said...
    November 15, 2009 at 4:56 PM

    Open Thread. Jewelry? Can't wait till the weekend gets here, 3 games oughta keep the topics within the galaxy of sanity.

  48. Bigzone said...
    November 15, 2009 at 5:54 PM

    I wanted to know if anybody new much about the teams we play this week . I hear that Akron is suposed to be good this year, and the other two are not quite as good. Any thoughts?

  49. Anonymous said...
    November 15, 2009 at 5:55 PM

    sghey takes it in the ace

  50. Wolfpack Hoops said...
    November 15, 2009 at 6:01 PM

    We'll have game previews before every game. We will also be in Daytona to cover the games.

  51. Slick said...
    November 15, 2009 at 6:32 PM

    Anyone know if CJ was there again today?

  52. Anonymous said...
    November 15, 2009 at 6:35 PM

    Zo really took over in the 2nd half. He finished with at least 30. Hargrave spread the floor and take guys 1 on 1. Really fun game to watch.

  53. Anonymous said...
    November 15, 2009 at 7:33 PM

    Coach Harris was there, did not see CJ Zo looked good!

  54. morpheus647 said...
    November 15, 2009 at 8:18 PM

    Anon, hopefully that style of play will transfer over to State next year and we will see Harrow and Brown dribble penetrate with the kick-out to Wood!!

  55. Anonymous said...
    November 15, 2009 at 9:13 PM

    I expect this upcoming weekend tough for the Pack, Akron is going to be very good this year (I'd be surprised if they didnt make the NCAA tourney), and Auburn and Austin Peay have been pretty good as well lately

  56. Jack said...
    November 15, 2009 at 9:52 PM

    So, we can come out of this weekend somewhere from 4-0 to 1-3. I don't know much about Auburn, but have heard Akron is tough. This early, I will be happy with 3-1 and ecstatic with 4-0. That will show me a lot about this team. How does everyone think we will do?

  57. Anonymous said...
    November 15, 2009 at 10:07 PM

    I can't beleive I just spent my time reading whether a 17-year old kid had Kentucky Earrings or not..Signing off and Go Pack...

  58. Anonymous said...
    November 15, 2009 at 10:25 PM

    Any TV for the games this weekend? None currently listed on the schedule.

  59. Anonymous said...
    November 15, 2009 at 10:29 PM

    Definitely would like to see that type of dribble penetration with the finish or a nice kick out. We haven't had the type of guy who can really get a basket when it's needed since J Hodge. Zo looked really good when they spread the floor and let him go 1 on 1. He's protects the ball and is not afraid of drawing contact and going to the line as well.

  60. Anonymous said...
    November 15, 2009 at 10:42 PM

    ^Yes, I've heard from several people that Akron is a very solid team this year.

    This will be a good test for our young or lose they will benefit from this tourney. That being said, I hope we can find a way to win the tourney. :-D

  61. Earing Man said...
    November 16, 2009 at 1:38 AM

    N.C. State Wolfpack Fans,

    I want to start off by saying this and getting it out of the way. C.J. Leslie will be attending N.C. State university next year along with his good friend Ryan Harrow. I do not care if he has blue earings,green earings,or a kentucky sweat suit on. He is going to of course accept any type of gift that any person or contact gives him. Who wouldn't ?? NOBODY would be following nc state football,nc state recruits, nc state scrimmages, if he has no intentions of actually playing with these guys. HE will hold off and it will be a drawn out process but he knows that Ryan Harrow and Lorenzo brown will be the best BACKCOURT in the ACC next year ! Why in the hell would he go anywhere else? Starting lineup next year will look like this
    PG-Ryan Harrow
    SG-Lorenzo Brown
    SF-C.J. Leslie
    PF-Tracy Smith
    C- Luke Cothron
    6th man-Scott Wood
    PG- Javi Gonzalez
    SG/SF- C.J. Williams
    PG- Julius Mays
    PF/C- DeShawn Painter
    PF/C- Richard Howell
    C- Jordan Vandenberg
    PG- Farnold Degand
    SF- Johnny Thomas (academic scholly

    SOLID line-up will compete for acc title. lock for ncaa

    Support our guys this year because they are the building block for next year. We will win a couple of games this weekend in the tourney. I am saying 2-1. We show heart and hustle we will be fine. SCOTT WOOD gonna drain them 3's baby!!!! any word on Howell? can he play this week-end?

  62. Anonymous said...
    November 16, 2009 at 8:34 AM

    Where is my man Josh Davis?

  63. Bobak said...
    November 16, 2009 at 9:02 AM

    Remove Farnold from your lineup and add J. Davis to make it complete. Not sure about starting 4 true freshman to be an elite ACC team. I don't think Harrow (true frosh) vs. Javi (senior pg with 4 years of playing experience) is a guaranteed start. Lo. Brown over CJ Williams or S. Wood isn't a guaranteed start. And I think least likely to win a starting spot would be Luke over Painter or JV. CJ Leslie would be guaranteed to start b/c he plays a position of need and would add a lot of versatility. Regardless of who starts, all of these freshman will be huge contributors in what looks like a team that can go 12 deep. Talk about really going up-tempo.

    I like your confidence about CJL committing. I would like to agree with everyone else that says we should slow down on the CJ talk and stop super analyzing his every move.

    I appreciate the scoop on him WPH, and it is nice to hear about his whereabouts. But as fans we should stop obsessing about every detail. At the end of the day, come spring he'll either join the wolfpack family or won't. Won't save us or kill us either way.

  64. Realwolfpacker said...
    November 16, 2009 at 9:40 AM

    I love your optimism Earing Man but a team starting 4 freshman (even harrow, brown, cothron & leslie) would have a hard time winning the ACC. Now if any 4 could do it I would bet on our guys....but still that would be one hell of an accomplishment for that young of a team. Either way, I hope both Cothron and Leslie sign in the spring and we never look back.

  65. Anonymous said...
    November 16, 2009 at 9:46 AM

    earring man, your opinion is hard to take seriously when you have a starting lineup of 4 freshman and still have degand on the team.

  66. Eric said...
    November 16, 2009 at 10:06 AM

    High School Hoop is supposedly putting up some footage from the Hargrave game. They started with this video of a Louisburg kid dunking over a Hargrave kid (not LoBro).

    Coincidentally, the break was started after a Hargrave kid missed the alley oop from LoBro (#0).

  67. Pack Leader said...
    November 16, 2009 at 10:36 AM

    I played basketball at Louisburg college a few years ago and let me say this, There arnt too many players at LC good enough to posterize a players from Hargrave.

    I have a hard time believing ear ring man or whatever his name is for the above mentioned flaws in his lineup ex degand, 4 freshman starting... BUT I like his confidence.

    On the earrings Ill say this,
    Theres no reason for anyone to get bent out of shape for wearing apparel that he prob got in lexington while visiting. I know when I visited several colleges before commiting, I got some apparall, some I bought some I was given but either way I wore them. Obviously he likes the school but that shouldnt mean hes secretly playing games to mess with state fans. Hes 17 and every school wants him. You know these young kids gotta be "bling bling"!!!!

    PS WPH not much in Louisburg to do when your not watching basketball huh.

    PSS Its GOTTA be a good sign he spends most of his weekend with OUR head coach watching OUR future SG...

  68. Anonymous said...
    November 16, 2009 at 11:10 AM

    Let's roll back the clock a little, if we may, about a year ago?

    A top ranked recruit from the same school as Mr. CJ Leslie was coming to N.C. State games and hanging around our campus and what not...and we all thought this was amazing, and he would commit to us (By the way, if you haven't figured out who I'm talking about, his name is John Wall). He even came to a game and threw up the Pack sign, at another sitting beside Scott Wood and looked to be enjoying himself. In the end, he commits to Kentucky.

    Let's fast forward some, this year, a few weeks ago however. Harrison Barnes was seen on Iowa State's campus wearing an IOWA STATE hoodie a week before his announcement to commit. When it comes for him to commit, he chooses UNC.

    The point is...Just because a young man is intelligent and uses the facilities around him to improve his game, and tags along to basketball events because he loves the game, does not mean he will commit to us. It does not even mean we're technically in good shape with them.

    To be honest the UK Earring thing is absolutely ridiculous, but humorous.

    To wrap up, yes, I do think we're in CJ Leslie's top 2 or 3, with Kentucky and Florida right now. He's always said he would most likely wait until the Spring, as did his mother on zagsblog. In the end though, he could attend every game he wanted and still choose someone else. I do think we're in a better position than we were with JW and Iowa State was with Harrison Barnes mainly because him and Ryan Harrow have played together and him and Luke Cothron play against one another every year, so he knows our incoming class is damn good.

    But for the sake of everyone's mental health, try not to analyze what an 18 year old is thinking about.

  69. TruthBKnown Returns said...
    November 16, 2009 at 11:27 AM

    Here's the deal. CJL probably got a sweet pair of UK earrings, and other such bling. He's not committed anywhere yet, so he's free to wear them. If he had committed to NC State, he couldn't exactly wear those earrings any more, could he?

    In fact, he's probably not committed yet because he wants to get some good mileage from ALL his bling while he still can.

    But seriously, he's probably just sitting back and laughing at all this. I think his actions speak pretty loudly, and attending games of our other recruits and commitments, tells me a lot more than the earrings he happens to be wearing.

    Just chill everybody. We'll know soon enough. If he comes here, it would be great. If not, it won't be the end of the world (or the program). CJ Leslie won't make or break us. If we get him, great. If not, we'll move on. Just like we did with John Wall.

    In the meantime, maybe someone needs to send him some more bling... of the WOLFPACK variety!

  70. redfred said...
    November 17, 2009 at 7:11 PM

    Wearing UK jewelry is probably considered pretty cool by most. If the truth be known, committing to UK is probably considered to be pretty cool by lots of people out there also.

    BUT, that's for the meek. That's for the type of BB player who feels that his talents aren't good enough in order to make a HUGE impact elsewhere. It's for those types of BB players who have do EXACTLY what everyone is doing because that's EXACTLY what some people around him are telling him to do.

    I don't believe that CJ Leslie feels that way about himself. I believe that he feels that he is good enough to STAND OUT anywhere he chooses, that his talent is up there with anyone, and better even. CJ Leslie knows that he is good enough to earn the lasting title of "PROGRAM CHANGER" if he so decides!!!

    It's either that CJ, or just another face in a line. You choose CJ.

  71. redfred said...
    November 18, 2009 at 12:33 AM



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