This is what the 2009-10 NC State Basketball roster will be this Fall, unless we add anyone or lose anyone between now and then. With the depth and versatility of the roster, it should be interesting to see what the starting lineup will look like come opening game. Then again with this much talent at Coach Lowe's disposal, and with each of these players competing and getting better through out the season, it will be interesting to see what the lineup looks like at the beginning of ACC play. There are also numerous players on this roster that could play a couple of different positions, and only time will tell where they will end up fitting best. While we understand that none of us are a part of the NC State Basketball Coaching Staff, it is still fun to ponder on the possibilities. Let's have a healthy discussion on how you think the rotation might pan out, who will play what positions, who will be our 6th man, etc.
2009-10 Projected NC State Basketball Roster
Dennis Horner - Senior - Forward
Farnold Degand - Redshirt Senior - Guard
Tracy Smith - Junior - Forward/Center
Javier Gonzalez - Junior - Guard
Johnny Thomas - Redshirt Sophomore - Forward
Julius Mays - Sophomore - Guard
C.J. Williams - Sophomore - Guard/Forward
Lorenzo Brown - Freshmen - Guard
Scott Wood - Freshmen - Guard/Forward
Richard Howell - Freshmen - Forward
Josh Davis - Freshmen - Forward
Jordan Vandenberg - Freshmen - Center
Deshawn Painter - Freshmen - Forward/Center
Friday, May 15, 2009
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37 Responses to "2009-10 Projected NC State Basketball Roster"IMO, without seeing any of the new 6 freshman play yet, this would be starting day starting line up. I would like to see us with a quick, full court press, fast break line up so I went with def and speed but we easily could go 9-10 deep this year.
PG- Javi,Mays
SG- Brown,Williams,Wood
SF- Thomas,Williams,Wood
PF- Howell,Painter,Horner
C- Smith,Painter,Vandenberg
If we wanted an energetic young line up...
PG- Brown
SG- Wood
SF- Willaims
PF- Howell
C- Painter
The lists could go on and on.....
but i expect Thomas to take over the SF spot this year....
The real anon:Still no point guard and I think the key to everything will be T Smith if he comes up with some offensive moves as well as a little jumper we will be fine. All he ever did last year was dunk and way too many fouls and he must become a force on De as well.
Also as good as this class is ,was or will be most of the other teams even G Tech return better players than we do, I hope we play a good ooc schedule this will help the young players ,if it is like last years ooc it will be a waste.
Pack Leader, Horner will start. Horner might not have all the hype but IMO he's very productive. He's definitely not 3rd string. Go Pack!!
Pack leader your energetic lineup consists of 4 freshman. That equals alot of energetic turnovers.
PG - Javi
SG - Brown
SF - Williams
PF - Horner
C - Smith
Bench (in order of PT): Mays (PG/SG), Painter (PF/C), Howell (SF/PF), Thomas (SF/SG)
Spot minutes: Wood (SF/SG), Degand (PG), Vandenberg (C), Davis (PF)
I think Sid will go with experience at first until the young guys catch on, therefore the opening day line-up will probably look like this:
PG - Degand
SG - Brown (talent wins out)
SF - Williams
PF - Horner
C - Smith
6th - Howell (again talent)
By ACC time I think you will see a line-up more like:
PG - Javi
SG - Brown
SF - Williams
PF - Howell
C - Smith
6th - Thomas
I just changed the wording of one of the sentences in the article. We are in no way a part of the NC State coaching staff or affiliated with the university. Sorry if my wording was confusing.
Thanks for looking out ppack!
The options are incredible. I think that you have to let Mays work the point, after his progression last year (although I don't know why he sat all those games towards the end of the regular season). Javi may have the coaching staff's trust, IDK.
CJ Williams may get the nod at SG by sheer experience. Although, if Lo Brown comes in and knocks the socks off of the coaches, who knows.
Thomas and Wood will be fighting for the 3-spot in a smaller line-up. Thomas may win out due to experience and athletic ability, at least in the short term. Horner could run the 3-spot in a larger line-up, and Thomas and/or Howell could back him up.
At the four, I think you have to make this a battle between Horner, Howell and Painter. Obviously Horner has the experience, but by all accounts, Howell and Painter are coming in as already physically gifted beyond Horner's aptitude.
I think that Smith shores up the Center position unless Howell or Painter come in with the offensive moves, and physical presence that Smith has, and then adds to that some of the defensive intensity that Smith hasn't really shown yet. Vandenberg can spell tired folks at Center and block/alter shots on the defensive end, and maybe contribute a little on offense with a few points and a few boards.
There is a lot to work with now, and Sid may struggle a bit at first, in trying (like last year) to find the right line-ups, but if he can put together solid First and Second strings that play well together, then look out come tournament time! Go Pack!
My young line up was more of a 2nd string i should have clairifyed that. I just dont see horner able to rebound or play tough def with a true PF's in the ACC. Horner is a tall SF and dont get me wrong hes smart and plays very well, but if sid chooses to get out and run horner wont beable to keep up. I think horner would be a great backup at the SF spot. hes taller than most SF but can hit the 3s thats needed on the wing. If we are going to play good solid NCSU def, we are going to been howell and painter to step in day 1 commited to reb. & hard def. I hope we dont HAVE to put all the fresh in at the same time, but if we did I dont think it would be the worst thing, esp if we put mays or javi in to run the off.
That's what I'm here for. Well, that and the free nachos.
Pack Leader - First, congrats on your password. Secondly, I agree with you 100% on Horner (hence my post). He was brought in for the old system, not an up and down, run and gun game. He doesn't have post moves that you need in Sid's offense, or the speed and agility to get out and run. Great shooter, great heart, max effort. All that and a scholly gets you a shot at being an over-sized SF. I like Horner, but he MAY end up lost in the shuffle.
PG - Brown, Javi, Degand
SG - Mays, Brown, Wood
SF - Williams, Wood, Thomas, Horner, Davis
PF - Howell, Horner, Painter
C - Smith, Painter, Vandenburg
Horner - 6th man
WPHs, can you get any info on JTs condition? There's lots of rumors. I've heard he has a bad limp, and I've heard he's 100%. I relly hope he's at full capacity, with his superior athleticism, I think he has the potential to really be a stand-out player.
I think Horner will surprise some people this season. IMO, its always been a confidence thing with him and towards the end of last season he seemed to find his groove.
^Agreed Chad.
2 things seem to work heavily for Dennis besides the obvious factor of being an experienced veteran.
1. Costner did the majority of sending the ball inbounds and Horner was the second option. It gets overlooked but it's very important to have a lot of trust in the in bounder.
2. Everytime there was something that we really did piss poor at in one game and you knew the Coaches went back to the basics in practices (be it boxing out, trying to draw a charge, pushing the ball up court, ect.) it was usually Dennis who really showed the next game he was focused on improving the team in that area.
Starting 5
PG- Javy Gonzalez
SG- Lorenzo Brown
SF- Dennis Horner
PF- Richard Howell
C- Tracy Smith
6th Man- DeShawn Painter
Julius Mays
Scott Wood (dont sleep on him!!!)
CJ Williams
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Johnny Thomas,Jordan Vandernberg,Farnald Degand (these guys will play limited minutes unless we have a injury)
To answer the question above -
Johnny Thomas isn't 100%. He was wrapped up and on crutches a couple of weeks ago. Hope Johnny can get back to full strength, but he's not there yet.
PG- Wall
SG- Brown
SF- Williams
PF- Howell
C- Smith
6th- Thomas
It's beginning to sound like JT may never recover, unfortunately. I hope I'm wrong.
John Wall
Lorenzo Brown
Dennis Horner
DeShawn Painter
Tracy Smith
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6th Man- Richard Howell
7th Man- Scott Wood
8th Man- Javy Gonzalez
9th Man- Julius Mays
10th Man- CJ Williams
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Vandenberg,Davis,Degand,Thomas
these guys will play very very limited minutes this year unless there is a injury of some sort. Vandenberg will get stronger this year and play more as a sophmore. Thomas can't play big minutes because of being injured.
That is your NC State Wolfpack lineup next year and also the ACC CHAMPIONS and NCAA team!!!!!! the ceiling will be very high this year.... Get ready!
If thomas isnt 100% or unable to contribute much, I look for Horner, Williams, and Wood to take over the 3 spot. TJ I agree dont sleep on wood, if he is able to put on 10-15 lbs by opening day I expect him to start stealing a a fair amt of mins. He isnt undersized height wise, He can strech the def w/ his range, his ballhandling skills is FAR better than most SF, and after watching the clip WPH posted on his def steals he can be an asset in the press. Itll be interesting to see if sid goes with the "big" lineup like he did the 2nd half of the season or if he chooses to go with a more traditional smaller quicker lineup. The GREAT thing is because of this strong class sid has talent and options to let the players effort decide the lineups.
Im not sure if painter can play the C spot but if he can, it would greatly help smith since hes a true PF he wouldnt have to battle against guys 3-4 inches taller. If smith can play the PF i expect him to be an All ACC calibur player...
Wow. For Thomas to be ailing, still. It's terrible. I hope he makes it all the way back. Some of the video from his HS days is incredible. But without the athleticism, can he rehab and contribute? IDK.
As far as the Horner debate, I think Horner has a lot of skills. Jose had some fantastic points on the subject. He is the quintessential role player. But, I don't think that you build a team around him as your go to guy. Whether or not he starts, I think comes down to what type of line-up Sid decides to go with, and what the newcomers bring to the table next year. All of this will make for a very interesting year.
I think Williams is going to get a lot more playing time than some of you seem to think. He really came on towards the second half of last season. Same with Mays.
There's so many options... maybe a 5 for 5 rotation could work?
PG- Javi
SG- Brown
SF- Horner/Williams
PF- Painter
C- Smith
PG- Mays
SG- Wood
SF- Williams/Horner
PF- Davis
C- Howell
With JV getting some mopup duty. Don't think this will happen but we're deep enough to do it. I'd really like to see Davis or JV get redshirted this year and then redshirt the other during their Soph season. But that won't happen either.
Enuf debate Horner is for sure the starting PF, he is not quick enough to play the small. The line-up will look like this:
PG: Javi/Mays
SG: Brown/Mays
SF: Williams/Howell
PF: Horner/Howell
C: Smith/Painter
The parts are very inner-changable.
Mays, Howell and Painter will be the top 3 off the bench. You might see Wood at times. Sidney played way too many people last year and it cost him a few games. This year 8 or 9 max deep.
Vandenburg may get redshirted. Will not see minutes.
Thomas is athletic, but not good enough to play major minutes over Williams or Wood.
Farnold saw the last of his minutes last season.
Wood is very interesting, and just might shoot his way to some minutes.
^ A healthy Degand would surely see mintues.
if johnny thomas is still hurt, i would love to see that vertical with healthy knee. Good Lord...
"if johnny thomas is still hurt, i would love to see that vertical with healthy knee. Good Lord..."
I know, there was a short series of pics on tww of JT alley-oopin' in a non-telelvised game last year, and it was sick. It was during one of the cup-cake games.
He couldn't take another medical hardship red-shirt, could he?
In my opinion the beginning lineup will look much different from what we put on the floor at the end. But isn't that the case most of the time?
Game 1 Lineup:
PG Javi
SG Brown
SF Williams
PF Horner
C Smith
Bench: I think Howell and Painter will be huge of the bench and probably end up playing more minutes combined than Horner does once things get rolling. I see Wood stepping in to break up a zone & I really hope Johnny Thomas can contribute because he is a phenomenal athlete but health is always an issue.
ACC Tournament Lineup:
PG Brown
SG Mays
SF Williams
PF Painter
C Smith
As far as the Horner discussion goes he's definatly a starter are you kidding me he came in and played huge minutes down the stretch last year. How many close games would we have lost if costner hadn't fouled out! All year i thought he was the most improved player and should have started ahead of costner. Mays was the best scorer imo but didn't have the speed or handles to play point and is undersized at sg. Smith is aggressive and plays like he's 7ft when he's actually 6'7 but could be all-acc next year! Williams could have a breakout year strokin behind the arc if he could get a little confidence. I hate to say it but Javi really made big steps last year his freshman year he played with his back to the basket last year but his court vision really improved last year. As for the freshmen come fight for your spot and I wish all of you the best of luck, but i think ZO and possibly Painter could be starters I feel like Lowe can get Painter back to where he once was his tape just reminds me of Hickson in soo many ways so on the floor on opening day!
PG Javi Gonzales
SG Lorenzo Brown
SF Dennis Horner
PF Deshawn Painter
C Tracy Smith
I think Mays, Williams, Howell, and Wood will see quality minutes. Degand was way too out of control last year and I feel we will have a red shirt possibly JV or JD.
and if Wall comes I say we red shirt him also not!!!
Just want to congratulate Coach Lowe and his staff on what looks to be more steps in a new beginning at NCSU. I know things haven't gone as quickly as fans would like, but to make all the connections and relationships you need to recruit well, it takes time. But with the players the staff has obtained, things are looking good. Just want to make sure the impatient put as much passion to praise and support The Wolfpack as they did to criticize them. Wolfpack Staff, I'm proud of you all, and want to hear alot of WOLF-----------PACK crossing over the RBC Center as well as Carter Finley, and by the way, don't we have a great Football coach and Staff too. Great job Coach O'Brien. GO PACK!!!!!!
PG: Javi/Zo/Mays
SG: Zo/Wood/CJ
SF: Wood/Horner/Thomas
PF: Smith/Howell
C: Painter/Smith/Vandy
Wood will play more than most are anticipating (can be skinny and shoot and guard ACC 2's), Painter will start by ACC play, Zo will get plenty of time at PG. Don't think Thomas will play as much as some think, Don't think Mays will play very much. Would like to see Javi, Smith and 3 freshman with Horner, Howell and CJ being our main contributors off the bench
We have seven players in the backcourt that you could argue are perfectly balanced in terms of a organizational chart:
PG Javi, Julius
SG Zo, Farnold
SF CJ, JT, Scott
Practice will be the best it's been; injuries happen whether nagging or worse; ofcourse, Lowe will utilize match ups and play insert different lineups to best bring energy, urgency and toughness to the game situation.
To me the PG position is WIDE open and will be a clean slate day one. Each player has a role and the PG's most important is W vs. L, IMO. You nead a floor general and this has to be "the guy" (would Lowe, Towe and Strickland have it another way if they could help it?). We didn't win enough and it fell on the shoulders of the whole team; Coahes, players, trainers ect. But if a one of these PG's take the reign's over it will not be a coincidence that we string some win's together
All I know is I'm really excited for this upcoming season!
I think with Painter on the team now, Vandenberg will have to redshirt. He is the perfect redshirt candidate - big man with some skills, but needs to hit the weight room and go up against guys like Smith / Howell / Painter in practice in order to improve.
JV red-shirting would mean a scholarship occupied for five years, and possibly having to pass on a future top-prospect.
It might be beneficial to let JV "learn on the job".
I don't know, I could see either him or Josh red-shirting next year, or not. Either way, having an athletic 7' aussie or an athletic and high-character guy like JD practicing with the team is a good thing.
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