Wednesday, August 26, 2009

Quick Notes from 8-26

- Media Relations has just let us know that the Georgia State game has finally been given a time and a date. The Wolfpack will host Georgia State on Thursday,November 12th at 7pm.

- Another year, another freshly designed basketball jersey. I know that there has been a lot of chatter about going retro and bringing back "STATE" to the front of the jersey. That didn't happen. Today they were released via a "TwitPic" (which is a picture on Twitter) by the Men's Basketball's Twitter page. Check them out and give us your opinion.

- Recession got you down? Wondering how in the world you're going to afford those NC State Basketball Season Tickets? Well the NC State ticket office is offering a pretty sweet deal. Introducing the Men's Basketball Season Ticket payment plan. The plan allows you to pay off your season tickets in 3 seperate payments, the first being in mid September. If you're interested, head over to First time buyers should call the NC State Ticket Office at (919) 865-1510.


34 Responses to "Quick Notes from 8-26"
  1. Bradford said...
    August 26, 2009 at 8:26 PM

    New jerseys = disgusting

  2. Slick said...
    August 26, 2009 at 8:28 PM

    Is there any way we can get a petition going to change the jerseys before the season starts, so the rest of the country doesn't see how cheezy they are?

    I've visited most of the nc state sites and haven't seen anyone comment that they liked them.

  3. j.sol said...
    August 26, 2009 at 8:35 PM

    i usually try to reserve my comments on design related stuff because someone worked real hard on that and they were probably forced to make some compromises in the design due to regulations, copyright laws, licensing or whatever, but that jersey makes me want to cry. for a university that has a design school, we have some of the ugliest merchandise and uniforms in the world. whoever is in charge of making these decisions is seriously dropping the ball. i'd take charge of it if they'd let me.

    i feel like they were going for a more classic look and put more emphasis on it saying "STATE", but the "NC" throws it way off and makes it look like an after thought. it would've been much smarter to keep it saying "NC STATE" instead of splitting it up because they obviously won't let us have it simply say "STATE". allowing universities to own the rights to specific words has ruined design forever. also, the lines in the type are way too bold for the classic look. it's like they were tryin to modernize a classic design and it just doesn't work at all. pick one or the other, stay true to classic styling or go completely modern, don't stand on the fence between the two. better yet, at least learn how to make it work!

  4. Pack Leader said...
    August 26, 2009 at 9:21 PM

    I think the new jerseys are ugly to be truly honest. I dont like the NC small at the top. I wish we would mix it up a little bit one year and get a special jersey for marquee games. I just feel they are so similar to last years that, other than your die hard state fan, nobody in the conference will know the difference. I know we have discussed the black jersey option in open threads previously, or even an entire retro jersey with block STATE on the top. Or get a creative design on the back and in the letters, like what duke did last year with their black and blue jerseys. I just feel, with the creative outlets NC State has to offer in the college of design and former students (Cam Bennerman) the final product could look more polished. Enough Adidas already.... call Nike....

    I do like the red and black lines down the sides of the jersey. There I was semi-positive there.... lol

  5. Anonymous said...
    August 26, 2009 at 9:24 PM


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    August 26, 2009 at 9:57 PM


  7. Stephen said...
    August 26, 2009 at 10:03 PM

    all aboard the fail boat

  8. Anonymous said...
    August 26, 2009 at 10:19 PM

    ok, i'll be the first to say they are an improvement. I personally would like only STATE on the front. Actually, i'd like the S for State to be our BLOCK S logo (then you get the NC in it). They could've done something a little more creative with the NC above, but I like the STATE. I also don't mind the black accents, but I like the majority being red and white. Trying to make our colors black, red, and white is faddish. We're the RED and WHITE from STATE. That's what the jerseys should be -- RED and WHITE with STATE across the front.
    oh yea, WPH, you guys are doing great.

  9. Anonymous said...
    August 26, 2009 at 10:37 PM

    i just threw up a bit in my mouth

  10. Bates said...
    August 26, 2009 at 10:43 PM

    This is the worst uniform I've ever seen. Not just the worst NC State uniform (and there have been bad ones...LA Gear...unitard)...this is the WORST uniform of any team in any sport I've ever seen.

    I would be embarrassed to clean up after my dog with a uniform this awful.

  11. Afterglow said...
    August 27, 2009 at 7:22 AM

    I'd actually be up for bringing back the unitards!

    In all honesty, maybe if the media get's wind of these ridiculous looking things something could change... but I doubt it.

  12. Anonymous said...
    August 27, 2009 at 7:34 AM

    Just go back to last year's uniform. Does anyone know who designed this thing? Did the team vote on this design?

  13. Anonymous said...
    August 27, 2009 at 7:43 AM

    These are just terrible. How can these be approved when everybody just hates them? Something must be done about this.

  14. Anonymous said...
    August 27, 2009 at 11:12 AM

    Yes, really bad looking. Everything is too low due to that misplaced "nc" at the top. I don't know if I've ever seen uniforms like this. It's just another embarrassment (and I'm not trying to be negative here, just honest). I'd laugh like crazy if UNC tried a uniform like this with
    on it.

  15. Matt said...
    August 27, 2009 at 12:18 PM

    I hope this is the worst thing that happens to our BB program all year. The uniforms are quite ugly. I am trying to figure out who could possibly be behind the design of uniforms. Does anyone know? They obviously didn't graduate with a graphic design degree from NC State. Heck, I had a minor in design from State and I could do a better job than this. I am guessing it is someone in the "branding" department. Horrid. I will stop here as I know we are trying to keep WPH positive.

  16. ppack3 said...
    August 27, 2009 at 12:32 PM

    I honestly don't know what all the negative banter is about. These are some extremely strong opinions about uni's! Now, I agree with the fact that we have a design school, and that it should be utilized for things like this. As a matter of fact, we have a TEXTILE DESIGN SCHOOL! But, design is subjective. It only takes a small panel to approve a design that everybody else doesn't like, and that seems to have been the case here. Bottom Line: Adidas may not allow us to design our own uni's! They mock 'em up based on what we've told them we are looking for, and we pick from several designs.
    They are jerseys. Big Deal. They aren't an embarrassment. If you would be embarrassed to be seen in one, don't buy one. Nobody is going to see our players in these jerseys and say to themselves, "Hey, these guys look ridiculous. What amateurs they have designing their uni's. They would be better off wearing Chicken Suits!"
    We have had some pretty awful looking football uniforms over the years. The diamond logo, to me, was very ugly. I liked the uni-tard. I said it. It's subjective. Nobody outside of NCSU fans care about our uniforms, until they get really "cutting edge" like Oregons ugly uni's.

  17. Anonymous said...
    August 27, 2009 at 12:54 PM

    yeah, i don't care for them, but i don't understand the strong outrage. it's prett ridiculous. they're just jerseys.

  18. Anonymous said...
    August 27, 2009 at 1:31 PM

    "Nobody outside of NCSU fans care about our uniforms..."

    The "dislike" of these uniforms have been picked up in stories on the N&O, CharObs, and Wilmington Star. Just a cursory look around the interwebs show that >90% NCSU fan dislike of the uniforms.

  19. ppack3 said...
    August 27, 2009 at 1:46 PM

    "The "dislike" of these uniforms have been picked up in stories on the N&O, CharObs, and Wilmington Star. Just a cursory look around the interwebs show that >90% NCSU fan dislike of the uniforms."

    Aren't the N&O and the CharObs one and the same now? The Wilmington Star runs pieces from those two anyway. Doesn't matter. I'm talking about who cares, not who picks up the story. Do you think Ohio State fans give a rip about our uni's? If UNC or Duke fans rip our uni's they are just trying to get a rise out of you. The only people that care, are us. And I don't even care. I'll start my outrage when they bring back the diamond logo. :/

    Word verification definition: Cowpant - Pants for a cow with one leg?

  20. j.sol said...
    August 27, 2009 at 1:48 PM

    the biggest problem is that we haven't had a good design in years and this one is the worst i've seen yet. even just the shirts in the bookstore or on gopack have progressively gotten worse, they don't have much variety at all anymore. i hold my tongue a lot because it's usually not that big of a deal. but i'm reaching my breaking point. i know adidas doesn't suck this bad, they're very capable of coming up with a good design and this doesn't look like their work at all. i don't think they've really played much of a hand in designing our uniforms they are just getting them made (if they have, then we definitely need to be looking elsewhere). it looks to me that our marketing and branding department has way too much control in deciding what goes on there and how they want it to look. it looks like somebody at the top did a family friend a favor and gave someone with no experience a job. all our new designs are terrible. i thought the worst they could do was ruin the tuffy logo, but this takes the cake. i really don't know who to blame, but there needs to be some change. this is a huge embarrassment simply based on the fact that we do have both a college of design and a textile design program. just because of that, we lose all credibility as an institution of learning, this goes beyond sports.

  21. Jose said...
    August 27, 2009 at 1:59 PM

    It is pretty obvious that this is the compromise that needed to happen. Lowe wanted the shirts to say STATE only, front and center but the NCAA won't allow it.

    Putting the in NC in smaller lettering above it was the only way to have the word State read from left to right and be centered.

    It doesn't take great deductive reasoning that this how it came to be like this. No one actually came up with this style and said "Hey this is the best looking design ever". Straight compromise- thats all.

    As long as I see something really close to 50/50 Red & White then I'm pretty cool with it. I once played on an American Legion team that had circa 1970's Oakland A's uni's. Our away shirts and pants were both green, stirrups green, socks yellow. We looked like total rubes that should have been hawking relish and mustard to Hot Dog makers.

  22. ppack3 said...
    August 27, 2009 at 2:32 PM

    Sol, Please don't go postal because of our uni design. If a change in our logo pushes you beyond your 'breaking point' I think that there are some other issues going on there. j/k!

    Honestly, were the kids in Turf Grass Management asked to replace the sod on Wayne T. Day Field, or to participate in the building of the Lonnie Poole Golf Course? Were the Engineering students beckoned to draw up the plans for the Murphy Center? If the answer is 'yes,' then it's news to me.
    I can speak from experience in one respect, the Textile School has never been asked to design, produce, or even brainstorm uniform ideas for any of the athletic teams (to my knowledge).
    I may be wrong, don't people associate our educational programs with the products the surround our players and stadiums. Do people see that UNC players are injured and say, "Man, their Pre-Med program must really suck." Or...well, I can't think of what many other schools around the country even specialize in, let alone relate that to their athletic programs and what kind of 'whatever' is displayed at their football games.
    The uniforms seem like the least of our collective problems, to me. If we make the tournament this year, less people will hate them. Too, if they get some press, even of it's negative, that's better than no press.
    I also want to mention the football uniforms. Nobody seems to be up in arms about the new 'official' three-headed wolf logo on the neck-line of the football jerseys. When Amato switched from the classic style (which I still like the most) to the futuristic patchy style, nobody seemed to care. Not even us. I do have preferences, but all I've read all day is about how embarrassing, wretched, and God-awful these uniforms are, and I just don't get it.

  23. Anonymous said...
    August 27, 2009 at 3:37 PM

    Is this a lost cause..or can the overwhelming disapproval of these uniforms bring about some change?

  24. j.sol said...
    August 27, 2009 at 3:43 PM

    lol, i'm just trying to make a point, i'm not gonna go crazy, haha.

    i'm not saying they need to get the students to do the work or come up with concepts, they're still in the learning process and aren't ready for real world applications and this should only be a professional contract. what i am trying to say, though, is that the university needs to hold a higher standard for itself. from my perspective of being a former design student, i would hope that a school that does have a design program would represent itself in a better way when it comes to design related things. it's really not that hard at all. they're not doing a good job marketing themselves and this is only a small piece of that. in the design field, visual presentation and first impressions mean everything. i expect better and i don't think that i'm asking too much.

    maybe i'm looking at this from a much broader perspective, but i do think this effects way more than just our basketball team. the university still has to make money and one thing that can help that is maximizing on merchandise sales and design does play a huge role in that. i just think we've been missing out on a huge opportunity looking at it from a business stand point. i don't know, maybe i'm the only one that feels this way.

  25. Anonymous said...
    August 27, 2009 at 4:36 PM

    Why does Michigan State get to have "STATE" across the front of their basketball unis, and we don't?

  26. Anonymous said...
    August 27, 2009 at 4:36 PM

    Sure they are "just jerseys" but if they are "just jerseys" why not do them right? What is so hard about coming up with a design that more than a dozen or so people will like? Like it or not you are judged somewhat on your appearance. If we dress like a rec league team I don't think that will do us any favors with SportsCenter or recruits.
    Just get the jerseys right and show some pride in what our basketball team is trying to be. We shouldn't have to compromise with a tiny nc where one shouldn't be that pushes everything down to the player's stomachs. There's an old saying that you should dress to whom you want to be and this uniform is showing me that we want to play East Millbrook Middle School.

  27. redfred said...
    August 27, 2009 at 5:09 PM

    I think they were actually attempting to make the "STATE" stand out, just like we all wanted, but they didn't go far enough. If they would have made the "NC" even smaller, VERY small, and left those two letters horizontal and just below the collar(???), then raised the "STATE" up higher on the chest and made it even more prominent, then they would have something.

    But then again, I wouldn't consider myself Mr GQ or anything, so clothing critiques aren't really my forte.

  28. redfred said...
    August 27, 2009 at 5:15 PM

    "I'd actually be up for bringing back the unitards!"

    What wrong with unitards? I wear one when I mow grass, and the neighbors absolutely love it.

  29. ppack3 said...
    August 27, 2009 at 5:28 PM

    Anon, There are some REALLY horrid uniforms. How about Maryland and Georgetown? They have had some seriously awful uniforms. I just can't see what ranks these new NCSU digs down there with jerseys that sport a tribal neckband or a watermark that runs all over the jersey. Didn't UVA have two-toned shorts at one time? How about the uni-tard?
    So, all I've heard is complaints about the 'tiny NC.' And, how that 'tiny' NC pushes everything sooooo far down that it looks like the 'State' is going to be below the belly button. Maybe on somebody who's 5'7" tall. On Horner, it'll be fine. Would everybody be elated if they took the NC off? I would think that they would start talking about how terrible the outlined letters are, or how the neckline isn't flattering enough.
    Someone was talking about the new logo's, yet nobody complained when TOB put it on the football uni's!
    The BB jerseys are pretty simple, and I thank God for that! They could be A LOT worse. Amen.

  30. ppack3 said...
    August 27, 2009 at 5:29 PM


    And not a moment too soon.

  31. ppack3 said...
    August 27, 2009 at 5:45 PM

    Sol, I totally see where you are coming from. But, short of hiring a designer like Alexander Julian (cough, cough), I don't know that you are going to please State fans without going totally retro. I mean plain white with 'State' across the front.
    I'm glad you brought up the fact that you were in design school. How many times did you or your classmates produce a piece or project that you thought was petty good, only to have people or professors rip it apart? Design is so subjective. And, that is my point. These jerseys didn't take a ton of risks. They are pretty plain. I would've thought people would've liked them more.
    I think, like redfred (I can't believe I just said that) that they were going for the retro look, and for whatever reason, (licensing, or NCAA rules) had to put the NC on there. If they had taken a little different approach maybe people would've like it.
    But, make no mistake about it, someone is going to suffer for having given the 'Okay' on this one. If the apparel sales plummet (which I don't know if they were selling a ton of jerseys before), then the design won't be around long, and neither will the people that approved it.
    Maybe we should incorporate some argyle into it next time.....j/k

  32. j.sol said...
    August 27, 2009 at 6:20 PM

    yeah i agree with you ppack, design is most definitely subjective, and i had stated before that it appeared they were trying to compromise by emphasizing "STATE" more since the majority of the fans want to go back to a more classic look (myself included). i think the problem probably is with licensing and trying to brand the "NC State" name so they forced the "NC" in there when it just doesn't belong and it messes up the whole balance of the design. they can make it work, but certainly not with what they got now. i do think simplicity is often the key to a good and timeless design and i think the majority of us would like to see some more retro uniforms. i feel like they're headed in the right direction in trying to incorporate what the fans want, but they're just going through some birth pains right now trying to making it happen and juggle legal obligations at the same time.

  33. Pack Leader said...
    August 27, 2009 at 7:13 PM

    Im just glad we dont have those tight small jerseys so many schools are going to. It makes some post players look like John Daily trying to fit into a smedium tight fit polo. Seems like alot of Nike jerseys have this...

  34. Ken McCary said...
    August 28, 2009 at 10:49 AM

    The real question is, do the designers go straight from prototype to mass production? Didn't they get anyone's opinion first? And if they got approval from anyone in the Athletic Department to produce THESE uni's...well that's just sad.


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